2015/01/25

Resist and resist reduction

When Wartune introduced resists, I thought finally there is the answer to the sylph delphics which one-shot people regardless of their HP. Well, it wasn't, but the problem solved itself - because the smart developers corrected the lord divine medallion bug with patch 3.1 (which counted LD damage bonus twice), and people get a lot of HP and defense from other sources. Resist itself didn't help much because the initially so-rare will crystals became super-common later. So it was pretty difficult to have a higher resist than the opponent's resist reduce. For thsi reason, resist didn't do much in pvp, it helped only in pve like sky trials or god's descent.


Probably the developers have sensed this flaw, so they added a huge resist boost with dimensions. They did add will crystal bonus too, but to a less extent. Right now, my resists looks like this (see to the left) with Hades equipped. I have 5 electro dimensions (1 advanced, 3 intermediate and one basic). If we suppose the strong players have a similar reduce resist like me, then their Hercules deals 62% less damage on me. (see here how resist damage reduction is calculated.) Also you can see that I don't bother having a significant secondary and tertiary resistance. Couldn't make them as high as 870 anyway, so in pvp they wouldn't help. In pvp (sky trial, god's descent), I just convert my best crystals to the proper element when necessary.

So with dimensions, resistance finally became a useful stat. And it is an important tactical element which dimensions you do. With this super-high resistance, I was able to kill God's descent boss 29 - with one attempt - AFK!!

And resist is now important in PVP - in battleground, I could kill R4GE, while he had more than 100k advantage in BR:
(And this is not a boasting - I have maximum respect for the live player behind the ToK NM shadow - it's just an example what resist can do now.)

So, be careful what dimensions you do. I seem to find a lot more dimensions than I use, so I can select. I was lucky to get a lot of electro and keep getting more, so I will stick around with that for a while. Although Hercules is the most common sylph, people will change tactic eventually. Going heavy-dark is another option, for a mage, it is a must if you want to be good in Class Wars. I really like when in a game, tactics becomes important, and its no longer just a who-have-the-higher BR competiton.


39 comments:

  1. Miklos, what do you think about current ancestry coins exchange - level 6 resi crystal? at 1st look I was gonna pass it, but with current promo that level 6 will bring me another level 6 as crafting reward.
    or better to change ancestral coins for whips? I still have huge space in mount training, and whips incom is small recently
    I got 20 coins at the moment.

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    1. During resistance crystal events, you can make a lvl 6 resist crystal (using 3 lvl 5) to get a lvl 5 as a reward. These events are pretty common, so you should make lvl 6 crystal only during this event. Which means, a level 6 resist crystal (16 ancient coins) is worth only 2 lvl 5 resist crystals (sold for 6 ancient coins each). So lvl 6 crystal is definitely a bad deal.
      About ancient coin exchange rates, this should deserve a complete topic in itself. I did buy 2000 balen discount coupon for like 3 (2?) ancient coins. I used it when buying a mount. So effectively, I could trade the ancient coin for 700 balen. Later on, I bought a 31-day VIP card for 2 coins (trading a coin for 400 balens).
      A level 5 resist crystal needs 8100 crystal shards. You can buy approx. 6000-6500 crystal shards for 1000 balens (80 packs of random quantity, and using a 200 balen discoun coupon). So effectively, a lvl 5 resist crystal cost 1300 balens. When you exchange it for 6 coins, you get only 220 balen per coin.
      So my suggestion is the following: if you are not spending balens, or spend only a minimal amount, resist crystals are still difficult to get, while whips you can gather for free (although slowly). In that case, buy lvl 5 resist crystals.
      If you do blue map each day, have 5 dimensions giving more resist crystals, and also spending 10 USD on 6000 crystal shard occassionally is okay by you, and you are still far from maxing whips, then I suggest mount whip, since the balen value for ancient coin is much better there.

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  2. you have literally 0 concept of meta pvp rotations you honestly need to find a different game this one isnt for you

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    1. Craig, you have zero concept of what this blog is about. You honestly need to find a different blog, this one isn't for you.

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    3. actually tracy i do its a a cashers attempt to make more money to fund his recharges by giving bad advice to everyone else this blog is fking awful

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    4. craig, you come here and just insult, without arguments, you are a true troll :) Actually, I like your kind. I'm always afraid a bit if I share and tell too much, and if I get beaten by people in GB, CW and everywhere else by people who are using my advices. But as long as the game is full of people like you who think they know everything better, I'm safe, I guess :)
      Btw note that I make no money on this blog, there are no google ads, donation requirements etc...

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    5. Sorry craig, I had to remove your last comment. Coming here and trolling around is one thing. But trash talking when ppl point out that you are not right is not tolerated. When your communication skills reach the bare minimum expected from a human being, and you can use them for a reasonable argument, you are welcome to post here again.

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  3. lol no you just didnt like the fact that i was 100% correct rofl and showed probable casue for why you will never do well in upper level pvp

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  4. well considering i place 20th in cw on us west the hardest and strongest timezone i have literally nothing to fear from you ever not o mention once again you set up is the worst thing i have ever seen for pvp you realise if everyone stacks electro and dark res like they did everyone smart just uses light or wind right what was trolly about this rofl its all correct you jsut dont like that im right

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  5. Cool, now we are gettng somewhere :) Ok, I try to interpret what you say:
    You say having high electro and dark resist is not a good strategy, since you can lose to someone who is using medusa or apollo, right?
    Well, the situation is, you cant have super-high resist vs everything. You have to select one (maybe two). And logic dictates you choose the resists what protect vs the most people. So I think electro and dark is still the best choice.
    On the other hand, if you suggest that Hercules and Hades is not a good sylph, since everyone has resist versus those:
    Hercules and Hades are superior everywhere in the game. In CW, you can use some alternate strategy, but to what point? To win an extra 300 whips monthly? For most players, building an orange sylph takes a LOT of time. So unless you are some super-heavy casher with 3 or more orange sylphs, you have to choose.

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  6. (and about "upper level pvp" - I already do pretty well :))

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  7. i actually built 3 meds in 5 weeks all over 50k aswell as have a gold athena gaai and herc plus 3 3* tritons and another 2 2* athenas so yeah i do pick and choose and do all top level pvp players as to bg i stopped taking herc into bg weeks ago i know alot of others that are smart have done the same i personsall have nearly 1k dark electro and fire with light and waer at about 500-600 so no you can have all high res tyvm and upper level pvp means you top 30 cw anything below that is a joke even 30 is a joke realistically and if you didnt already know that which its obvious from your statement you dont its unlikely you ever will on top of that enjoy not have massive electro res next month in titan war when everyone use athena or med

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    1. Hehe, man, check the forums... You will not be happy spending a truckload of balens on your athena and medusa. Because they are much weaker than gaia / hades, and you can't rely on people not having resistrance vs you anymore... dimension resist bonus have been halved.

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  8. actually it has only made them stronger rofl people cant do multipl expert then stack res agsint uncommon sylphs now my strategy just got 100% better

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    1. I'd like to see your blog and explanation for your cause.
      At least Miklos is open enough to share his views.
      If you have something that disagree with him, pls put it nicely..
      honestly, no one is well better off than another even if you place better in CW..

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  9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEQbdlZ3qw&feature=youtu.be prrof of all my statements might want to watch what happens when she fights rae

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    1. All I see two powerful cashers clash and the one who cast delphic first in the 100% round wins :) Btw I'm not sure if you noticed, but class wars was BEFORE the nerf. So it's not a proof to any statement :)

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  10. its proof of every statement rofl you realise becasue we have all 7-8 res crytals our res barely changed right

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    1. I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but resist reduce counters resistances. So it's the difference which matters, not the absolute value. With the nerf, my electro resist decreased by 400, while my resist reduce decreased only by 150. So, yes, the resist advantage from dimensions decreased greatly. (And yes, I have lvl 7 resist crystals as well).

      On a side note, may I ask you to try to write coherent English sentences? I have difficulties understanding what you try to say.

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  11. my res reduced by 100 on each type and my res reduce by 240 so there you you go i lost 300 less than you and i only have 1 electro open and im still at 950

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    1. splitting your resources between resists is a bad strategy, a 950 resist does not get you much damage reduction vs a strong opponent. He will have at least 800 resist reduce, so you take 20% less damage, that's not much. If you upload screenshot of your resist and dimensions somewhere I can give you advice how to make your character better.

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  12. rolf you are a moron i ust have to not take my res to negatives to be fine 20% is fking massive ost top players are only sitting at 1k max i have 800-1k on 3 res like how are you actually this stupid i can 100% gurantee if i met you in bg i would wipe the floor with you i doubt i would even need to heal tbh

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  13. also i have 900 res reduce like are you actually ust this dumb i dont get how you are so fing stupid you are hilarious you think you have a clue and you dont i ust sitting here laughing at you
    http://prntscr.com/62xb2d i really think i need your help lol fyi im 120k below 3 players on y server and i still beat the crap out of them you have no concept on how to be good at this game lol im reknowned as a legend on my server

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  14. Craig, you spent the 1000 USD to get the lvl 8 resist crystals, you have bought the most expensive "mount" in Wartune's history (ie. lvl 4 marriage ring) you spent a fortune on sylphs (you said you have even multiple Apollo and Medusa), and you spent just on your vulcan's hammers more money than me on entire Wartune. In one word, you are WHALE, a heavy casher :(

    I have good news: one goal of this site is to help people like you, who spent a truckload of money on the game, and still, somehow fail to reach a decent BR. You see, you have only 556K BR - the exact same as I have (and I did not even use my 17k soul seals and 80 lvl 10 gems) - while already spending too much. The trick is, whenever you want to spend money, consider how much BR you get for your balens spent. When you spend thousands of dollars to have a strong medusa you use only for CW - then you actually spent thousands of dollars for just 200 mount whips :( With the balen you spent, you should be in the Warlord's Hall now, not in Warrior's Hall! I understand that you think you are a legend on your server, but I bet people there think otherwise. They see only the whale who bought his BR. You have to build respect, by being wise and smart.

    I know, you will say, you can afford it. If my guess is right, you live in the US, and although you are only a student, your parents are rich enough to fund your playing. So it might be okay - but trust me, this is still too much money, you could spend it much more wisely. Also, based on the way you put together your sentences I am afraid you spend too much time on this game (and on the internet in general), and you have too little time for reading and studying. Reading is very important, that's what make you a smart person.

    Anyway, I'm glad you came to me for advices. Please, check the main articles (top menu). Not about building your character - I see you know how to do it - but about optimizing your spending. With this determination, I know you have the potential to grow stronger! Good luck, Craig!

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  15. actually im from australia i chose to not attend a university on a full scholarship for law as it had started to bore me i will never have to work or try for anything in my life above all things im a martial artist tbqh and i only use text talk on the internet for friends and people i dont find intelligent enough to take the extra time for hint you arent my friend and no my server calls me a legend i never did im from 136 prof city and have never done a 1k recharge or a 1k spend you sir are a moron and i nearly am in warlords but as you might tell from my server instead of your own you need 650k min br with 2-3 100k sylphs to make knight warlord especially considering i can beat 50-70% of the warlord players also i try to read a book a day as i dont actually need to work i work for self satisfaction to fill in my days so to speak 2ndly i tried your advices at 1st wanna know something i actually got less br doing it lol thats right your stratigies done work for people with money nor will they ever get anyone to warlords hall you are without a doubt the dumbest player in the entire of wartune http://prntscr.com/63vd4g that your post proves it beyond measure that you have no concept of reality and need to stop trying to give people that have both the skills and money to do well in this game also it might interest you to know i quit for cashing for 8 months last year so this is my br with 12 months of cashing also id like to mention me and my partner got the rings and will make them lvl 9 like our other 2 team member who are 650 and 700k respectively and are in warlords because of the advice i gave them hell one of them almost won with 200k less total br using my strats also my parents have never given me a cent outside of essentials despite considerable wealth also i think you fail to understand i play this game for fun and competition how is it fun to have to count my items and wait in the hopes of a better event like you have with your sc you keep whinging about your gems how is it fun to not get stronger everymonth unless you get lucky with events or sales i pick up 20-50k br every month i cash without fail from december to january i picked up 150k becasue i heavy cashed for 1 month in 1 month i went from all lvl 3 to all lvl 7 crystals all lvl 2 to all lvl 5 will crystals and my next topic is if my stables were capped which they are nowhere close i would be 620-640k so yes i would be a warlord candidate but someone like you on a weak timezone who only plays to get as many rewards as he can has no concept of how to play or how to win nor what it takes to call yourself a champion online or off

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    1. The reason why I suggested you to read books, because it's very, very hard to read what you write. You do not use period, comma, and other basic language tools which make your sentences readable. From books, you can learn how to do it.

      You say my strategy (hoard resources, and use them only when you get maximum reward) is not good, because it's no fun. I agree it's no fun. Spending everything the moment you get it is much more fun. But that way, you will get much weaker on the long term. It's the game's fault that it forces on us this strategy. Of course, if you are a heavy casher, spending tens of thousands of dollars, this is irrelevant. But my blog is for people who have limited financial resources.

      You are proud, because you have 560K BR. I am proud, because I have the same BR - but I spent 10% of what you did. Everyone finds his own challenge in the game, for this reason, what I achieved will not make your achievement lesser.

      I don't mind if you don't take my game-related advices, and use cash instead. But still, here is one advice you should take: do not ever approach strangers and begin communication by insulting them, and instead of reasoning, say you are smarter and the other is dumb. Because this will never achieve you anything, and it will just make you look very, very stupid. For start, google the expression "emotional intelligence". You can acquire and improve that skill by practicing!

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  16. nono hoarding is excellent the problem is your advice on what to buy you actually jsut ahve no clue on what to buy for best br and over toon benefit im actually at 580k now lol and i guarantee you didnt spend 10% of what i did tell us how much you spent exactly and ill tell you my estimate of whatt i have spent 2ndly yes i am smarter than you how about this we each find a 700k opponent no dryads 1k max res vs then who ever beats them wins you even have the advantage as you have guardian rune and heals i think that is a safe bet in fact ill bet 10k balens on it that i win

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  17. Miklos, thank you for dealing with this bully so eloquently! Thank you for being tolerant and actually try to understand his points despite him coming off as an egotistical, self-righteous bonehead, who has no concept of grammar. He said absolutely nothing of substance, just hurling out insults and brags in run-on sentences. I personally would have deleted all his posts and ban him from the blog.

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    1. Hehe, thanks :) To be honest, I do this so people can learn from this conversation. I think there is even a small chance that Craig will learn from it too.
      And an insult hurts only when it is true, so I really don't mind about those :)

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  19. rofl i just read your latest article i can now gurantee you have spent more than me rofl i have only cashed for 1 year total you have cashed for 3

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    1. Craig, I was always open about how much I spent on this game. Now I'm at 4k USD total, which I think is faaar too much You can even find a description of how to calculate balens spent, and a screenshot of my VIP xp here on the blog. But. After you trolled me on r2games forum, I checked your posts. There, you admitted that you spent 20k USD just in the past 6 months. If you spent only the same amount in the other 18 months, then you are exactly at 10 times more than me :)
      About your legendary resist, I read that too that you spent $450 on Christmas blessing, and got the buggy 1000 x lvl 7 resist crystals. And when they wanted to remove the items you got by bugs, you threatened them with chargeback etc. so prolly they just let you keep 15 gems. You should not be proud of something you got due to bugs and heavy cashing :( Be proud of what you achieve by work, determination and wits.

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  20. http://prntscr.com/64gu0r great res mate

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  21. Dear your highness Craig Stern,

    I'm an humble player, with evrything lower than you of course, nobody can be close to a shiny god as you.

    I'm coming on Miklos blog to have his point of view on evrything about wartune, so i can have an idea of what is worth or not to buy, cause of course, Miklos is also a generous god, he never force anybody to buy something or to don't buy something
    He also never said evrything on this blog is the only truth about wartune.

    So for my personnal use, i come here, see his math, see his tips, then i go watch on wartune.tv, cosmos, and other fan blog about wartune, and any of them ask us to spend, with the information they give, i make my own opinion and choose to spend or not.

    Sometimes Miklos say it's worth to buy this things, but i don't want to, cause it's too expensive, or i don't want to spend at this moment, sometimes he said it's worst to buy this, but i buy it anyway cause i want it, or i need it, i play for my fun with the amount of money i choose to spend.

    Also he have allready said and show how many he have spend till the start, for some it's kinda a lot of money, for other it's not even a month of work, but yes it's still a huge amount for a game, but it's in 3 years, i've seen poeple spend more in 1year of smoking, or just few week of party/drinking. (he have made a post about it on this blog, i think anybody who can read, will find it easily....)

    Evrybody choose to spend his monoy the way he want and we can't judge them, there is no shame to be a whale or an heavy casher, just don't deny it (i don't said you are one of them).

    Finaly i don't want to command you, your highness, but maybe you can make a fanblog too and help the average player like me to make better choice in this game for less and less money, maybe you can share us how you can get ALL the mount of the game for barely free (at least the mount of the past month you get when you wasn't spending !!!)
    Some usefull information, like how we can reach lvl 48 soul seal, witout cashing, while doing 2 BG per day, beeing in top 3 each time, and kill all the AB beeing first on 90% of them, i was gessing i'm close to be one of the first in SS for free, but i don't have the half of yours (that's obviously show us how smart and good you are to be able to do it witout spending)
    So please, share your talent with the community and help us.

    That would be a shame to don't use your powerfull brain for all of us :'(
    We can't afford to be so good, we need your help.

    (PS : posting a screen of someone isn't a proof it's you, i can log on S1 take screen of some strongest player, and claim it's me, and i'm smarter than miklos cause i'm stronger than him witout playing and witout spending, just want to let you know, coming here, posting few screenshot, talking witout coma, dot, not beeing able to make a correct sentence, just let me think you are a light casher or free player who's mad at miklos, or maybe you are really strong but have spend tons of money and you are jealous of him cause he spend less, i don't say it's like this, but it's what we COULD have think by reading you)

    Anyway i'm probaly weaker than you in the game, in any point, even it's not you on the screen, i'm not here to say or show i'm better than anybody, just respect Miklos for what he try to do for player, and if you are better, make your own blog, i'll be happy to read an other point of view of Wartune.

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  22. http://prntscr.com/64pnsf my vip points with vip since august 2013 feel free to link your formula id be interested in how much i spent

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    1. Cool, we are getting somewhere! Facing how much you spent is the first step to get rid of the addiction :)
      21828 - 547 * 10 + 17 * 8 (vip) = 16510 USD.
      So it's only 4 times more than me, there is hope for you then!

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  23. lol im not addicted i can go months without cashing rofl like i havent cashed at all this month and only 100 last month

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